Ellie
and I met in the first year of university. It did not take me long to learn
that she is a voracious reader. Not only does she read enviably quickly – she finished several Song of Fire and
Ice books in the time I read one – but she also reads from a vast number of
genres, though her favourite is epic fantasy, especially J.R.R. Tolkien’s work.
Ellie has been known to keep somewhat quiet about her reading habits. I think I
only discovered her love of literature by way of obnoxiously chatting about my
own. Besides books, Ellie loves languages – she is proficient in Spanish,
French and Russian – cricket, bourbon biscuits and Jason Derulo. She currently
resides in Japan, working as an English teacher. We discussed Tolkien, reading
in translation and Orwell, as well as spouting some nonsense about fish and
lightning.
DANIELA: What is your
favourite book?
ELOISE: The Silmarillion
by J.R.R. Tolkien.
D: Why do you like it?
E: I like it because
it is, and this is going to sound weird to anyone who isn’t a fan of Tolkien,
but it’s more like a history book than a fantasy book. It’s got twenty
languages in it and it’s almost impossible to remember all the characters and
all the places and it’s like a labyrinth…of magic.
D: You like it
for the reason that it’s almost impossible to remember all the names of all the
characters?
E: Yes, and you have
to keep going back to the pages in the back and looking at the family trees and
even though it doesn’t sound like a fun time, it’s a fun time.
D: I recommend Vanity
Fair to you. There are over three hundred named characters.
E: Are there orcs and elves?
D: No, none, none of
the above. Just Victorian people.
E: Then no, thank you.
D: What do you get
from reading that you don’t get from watching a movie? Why do you read even
though there are so many other, perhaps easier, ways of spending your free
time?
E: Obviously it wasn’t
the first reason I ever read, but definitely now, between reading and watching
films, I certainly hate my life and hate myself less when I read. There’s
definitely part of me that feels like I’m enriching myself rather than rotting
my own brain.
D: Yeah, that’s funny,
isn’t it? I never thought about it that way. You do hate yourself less if you
spend six hours reading than if you spend six hours watching TV.
E: Exactly. If you
read for seven hours it wouldn’t feel like you’d wasted your day, whereas, if
you sit in front of Netflix for seven hours, you definitely do.
D: Why do you think
that is? Do you think it’s just because reading is harder?
E: I guess you have to
concentrate more and, generally, if I’m on the internet, I’m doing more than
one thing but if I’m reading I can only focus on one thing.
D: Yeah, you can’t do
anything else. Do you mostly just read novels or do you read non-fiction or
poetry or anything else?
E: I read a bit of
everything. I go through phases. So, sometimes I’ll remember how much I love
poetry and I’ll read poetry. I would say I read more fiction than non-fiction
but what happens when I kind of forget how much I love reading or go through a
lull in reading, I read a fantasy book again and I get back into it.
D: Who are some of
your favourite poets?
E: I think my
favourite poet is Baudelaire.
D: Ohhh, he’s French,
right? [This is a joke.]
E: Yeah, and I like
reading him in French even though it’s kind of a struggle sometimes. I haven’t
read any recently but, in school, my favourite poet was [Thomas] Hardy.
D: Like Milla [our
friend Camilla Bryden]!
E: Yeah, we were in
the same English class, huh. I definitely like reading poetry in the original
language.
D: I was just going to
ask that. Do you read anything else besides poetry in Spanish or French? Or
Russian? Or Japanese?
E: I try. I haven’t
yet found any Spanish literature that I’ve fallen in love with but I definitely
feel a sense of guilt if I don’t read it in the original language. I feel like
I’m cheating. So, I always do try if I’m reading an author whose language I
speak in the original.
D: Do you think things
get lost in translation?
E: Yeah, I think so.
Definitely with poetry. It’s almost impossible to translate poetry. So much of
it is about how certain words sound together and the rhythm. Sometimes, I do
find the translation is beautiful still, but it’s definitely not the same. I
think with novels, it’s more or less captured.
D: Jeremy and I have
talked about translation and whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing. There
are obvious drawbacks to it but if it didn’t exist then you couldn’t ever read
the book at all and you have to be so good at a language to read a novel in the
original language, so a massive percentage of people could just never read it.
It’s hard to say what’s better.
E: Definitely in my
field as well, there have been a lot of writers and lovers of literature who
get angry and upset when things have been lost. Especially in philosophical
writing and stuff like that where translation hasn’t gone down that well. I
wouldn’t like to have the pressure of translating.
D: No, it’s just going
to make everybody mad. Well, not everybody but definitely some people. Did you
read the same kinds of books in high school that you read now or do you feel
your tastes have evolved?
E: In some senses. I’m
still very much a fifteen year old in my taste in fantasy books and what I find
to be easy reading but I’ve definitely become a lot more cynical as I’ve aged.
Now I definitely like things a bit more political. And I think that’s a trend
that’s probably going to continue.
D: What’s an example
of something political that you’ve read recently that you liked?
E: I’m definitely a
big Orwell fan now.
D: Really?
E: Mmhmm, and books
along those lines. And books that are critical of war like Slaughterhouse
Five and Catch-22. When I’m not taking my time off to read fantasy
books, that’s what I like to go back to. Actually, my favourite thing I’ve read
by Orwell is this tiny little book, I can’t remember its name, but it was a
tiny little, I don’t know, essay on what he thought it was to be British and
until I read it I never really thought Britain had culture or, like a national
feeling that held us all together, but he just said it was things like, even
dull things like always complaining about the weather and having a bit of a
stiff upper lip and that was the first time I think I realised that we actually
had a way of being.
D: That’s interesting.
Have you seen the whole Penguin Eightieth anniversary thing?
E: No!
D: Oh, well, it’s the
eightieth anniversary of Penguin this year and to celebrate it they’ve put out
eighty tiny little books that are either a chapter from a book or a little
known piece of writing from a famous writer or a bit of an ancient text. And
they’re all 80p.
E: Oh, Penguin, nice
work! Little known books that you find in those collections that people or
publishers release, I always find that those are somehow more beautiful than
the best known works.
D: Yeah, or just interesting
in different ways.
E: What I will always
remember, or at least up until this point in my life, as the most beautiful
thing I ever read was a short story by Vladimir Nbokov called “Terra Incognita.”
He wrote it in English even though his first language is Russian and it is ten
times more beautiful than anything I could ever write.
D: That’s annoying of
him.
E: Yeah. Right? Very
annoying. I really want to find my copy again and save it because it was
seriously so beautiful. And it was only like five pages but I read it like
fifty times.
D: That’s cool. I’ll
have to look it up. I’m just curious, and this is a very specific question to
you, but when was the first time you read Lord of the Rings? Or did you
read The Hobbit first?
E: Good question. I
think I read Lord of the Rings first. And I read it when I was like
thirteen, maybe. And I’d watched the films before but I thought the films were
so boring the first time I watched them. And I fell asleep and made a big point
about it.
D: That’s so funny.
E: I know, considering
how obsessed with them I am now. Then we had periods in school where English
class would be you just take your book in and you read.
D: I frickin’ loved
that. We had that in school too.
E: Yeah. I wish that
was a thing in university. And I remember I was on the end of book two with the
bit [some names and something about a spirit attack that I didn’t understand].
D: Mmhmm. [I say as
if I know exactly what she’s talking about]
E: And the teacher was
like, right, we’re gonna have ten minutes where we talk about our books and the
whole class put their books down and I was like, no! I cannot do this! And I
refused to stop reading and I just kept reading…and that was probably the most
rebellious moment of my youth.
D: Did you know the
first time you read it? Were you like, woah, this book has changed my life?
E: I think it was when
I read The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales that I really got, I
think obsessed is a fair word.
D: I think it’s a fair
word too.
E: I mean, I definitely
struggled through The Silmarillion the first time I read it. It
definitely wasn’t easy going. But it changed things.
D: Did you like the
last Hobbit movie?
E: No.
D: I saw it in the
cinema. I didn’t think you would like it.
E: They were all
rubbish. I didn’t like any of them.
D: There was a lot of
battle in the last one.
E: It was just one big
battle.
D: You could tell
there weren’t that many pages going into that three-hour movie, or whatever it
was. I think I fell asleep.
E: My main qualm,
apart from it obviously being ridiculous that it was made into three movies,
films, is that Lord of the Rings somehow felt really real. Like it took
ten hours for them to do one orc’s makeup and it was all like real stuff
whereas the Hobbit was just too much CGI and you couldn’t believe it.
D: I know what you
mean.
E: But I also kind of
love to hate The Hobbit. So I was glad that I hated it.
D: What are the next
three books you really want to read that you haven’t read yet? Or two or one or
if there’s any that are just staring you in the face?
E: Let me find my
Kindle because I surely bought one and they’re waiting for me to read. I would like to say for the record…
D: Go on.
E: That I was
initially opposed to the Kindle because I like the feeling of a book but this
thing is magic.
D: Yeah, I like
reading on my iPad as well. I thought I would hate it and I thought I would
feel like a traitor but there’s certain books that I don’t feel like I need to
buy. If it’s a six hundred page series paperback it might as well be on my
Kindle.
E: Exactly. So, the
next three books are, The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir, A History
of the United States by Howard Zinn and…um…where’s it gone…A Wild Sheep
Chase by Haruki Murakami.
D: Cool. That was my
last question. Any other final words or final statements for the record?
E: Final words. I
sometimes wonder when lighting hits the ocean why don’t all the fish die…you
know?
D: Yeah, I do know.
That’s a great stopping point for the interview.
E: Actually, final
words. Sometimes, I don’t hate myself, but I feel silly that the book that
changed my life the most is one about elves because one’s that have affected me
in a political and how I view the world way are ones like 1984 and Catch
22 but The Silmarillion and Tolkien is different. And I chose it
because I have never been as excited about a book or a concept or a world as I
was about that one.
FIN.
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